Season 31 Week 4 processing...

gary@chelsea wrote:

What is best to do with a player who's form is POOR? apart from dropping him obviously

Play all your friendlies, with them in the team, against the lowest placed league teams so they perform well.

Phil@Watford wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

What is best to do with a player who's form is POOR? apart from dropping him obviously

Play him in CUP games Vs weaker opponents? 
Or Ensure is fully skilled up?

yep fully skilled up, did'nt play the cup game i won , thats Kepa dropped this week then for league game

Just trying to work this out again as a real life example:

I had Auba start on good so 70 mins
By the end of the cup game he has -20
He starts the league game with +10 given the 30 mins bonus
I had 4 RE periods and a luxury coach so 125mins (25 x 4 + 25) + 30 mins = 155 mins
He played the whole league games so 155-90 = 65 mins 
So he is now poor.

Next week he will be:

65mins + 30 mins = 95mins so he can play the league game but will then be awful.

The 4 rest periods and a luxury coach would then give him 155 mins for the week after. He couldn't play both the cup game and league games for the whole time.

Essentially need to rest him this week so he gets back to superb.

The only bit I can't work out is why he got tired late on in the league game... He should have had 65 mins left, unless I haven't got this correct here?

gary@chelsea wrote:

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Sorry, back to stamina but is this still valid from week 17 last season?

So lets say playerx starts the week on 99 minutes, then playing a full game leaves him on 99+30-90=39 minutes then he gets sunday off RE+RE will leave him on 39+25+25 = 89 minutes, which is probably what a lot of you are seeing this week. 


ie Sunday counts as 2 RE slots

Nicknaming you the Elephant as you don't forget anything

Phil@Watford wrote:

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Sorry, back to stamina but is this still valid from week 17 last season?

So lets say playerx starts the week on 99 minutes, then playing a full game leaves him on 99+30-90=39 minutes then he gets sunday off RE+RE will leave him on 39+25+25 = 89 minutes, which is probably what a lot of you are seeing this week. 


ie Sunday counts as 2 RE slots?

IF you do SUNX.....

I can't imagine most people do SUNX? I know i don't.... Not sure players would appreciate being told to come into Train and then Rested ha.

Do you leave SUNX as blank to get the two RE slots? Or do you put RE?

I thought they had the day off automatically if this was blank or if you filled it in they got called in for extra training that Sunday?

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Phil@Watford wrote:

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Sorry, back to stamina but is this still valid from week 17 last season?

So lets say playerx starts the week on 99 minutes, then playing a full game leaves him on 99+30-90=39 minutes then he gets sunday off RE+RE will leave him on 39+25+25 = 89 minutes, which is probably what a lot of you are seeing this week. 


ie Sunday counts as 2 RE slots?

IF you do SUNX.....

I can't imagine most people do SUNX? I know i don't.... Not sure players would appreciate being told to come into Train and then Rested ha.

Do you leave SUNX as blank to get the two RE slots? Or do you put RE?

I thought they had the day off automatically if this was blank or if you filled it in they got called in for extra training that Sunday?

I have them Blank, but I'm not sure they count towards the RE unless specifically selected for RE AND brought in for training...

gary@chelsea wrote:

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

sorry Gaz I accidently deleted one of your posts earlier...

The gamesmaster is trying to supress me free speech 

I’m strongly supportive of Paul suppressing free speech. If it’s an option I’m voting for it.

no one asked you Wilson!!!

Savage Gaz ..... just savage.

Tom@Charlton wrote:

On another note, are other managers getting a lot of injuries at the minute?

I had all three TMs go off during my midweek games due to injury, as well as other players?

 I had an injury, and my opponent had 2. Also, some players have stamina of 'good'...
I'll just make sure I use 4xREst slots which should filter through in a week or so...

I've got a Lear Jet actually, so I reckon that helps more than a lux coach?
Almost all my players were saying they were tired by the end of the lge match!

Also, when you individually train a player, it probably improves his form too (whether he's fully trained up or not)...

Do we not get an International Fixture List, or have we already had it? Can't find it...

I spent the evening going through the system to refresh my mind on how stamina is handled and there are a couple of things I forgot to mention about stamina which I apologise for, these are :-

1) player commands affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
2) trademarks also affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
3) player actions affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
4) player age affects stamina bonuses.
5) TIREDNESS is only a factor beyond 60 minutes in League games.

for example ( not an exhaustive list )

1) at the end of a game players who had the command TRY or GOP or FFD get a -10 minute adjustment. ( this is why some players have gone from HIGH to GOOD this week ).
2) players with the DOG trademark only lose stamina when their side are in possession.
3) players with the stamina attribute get +15 extra minutes at the beginning of the season. ( the bit Tom remembered that I forgot about ).
4) players over29 do not get the 30 minute prematch bonus stamina.

Despite all the complexity the advice is still sound, if you notice a player dropping below GOOD then use the REST dealing on him then he wont train but he will recover to HIGH stamina ready for next week. If a player starts the week on GOOD or HIGH then he should be able to last at least 100 minutes before getting tired in his first game, then at least 60 minutes if you play him twice.

Tom was also correct in stating it's important to put the RE periods into your training schedule in the right place, I totally forgot I had done this. Rest periods are applied on the days you say, midweek games are played wednesday afternoon, league games saturday afternoon.

To help clarify the maths I've increased the effect of each rest period from 25 to 33 minutes which makes the maths a bit easier to understand. I've also increased the effect of the luxury coach and lear jet to 33 minutes each which simplifies the maths even further. 


I think that's just about enough on Stamina for the week, it is definitely working as intended.

Andy@Schalke wrote:

Do we not get an International Fixture List, or have we already had it? Can't find it...

We dont have an int fixture list cos the draw is always the same, from memory it goes:-

group stages
team 1 vs team 2 and team 3 vs team 4
team 4 vs team 1 and team 2 vs team 3
team 1 vs team 3 and team 2 vs team 4
semi-finals
winners of each group
final
winners of each semi-final

Paul Hemmings wrote:

I spent the evening going through the system to refresh my mind on how stamina is handled and there are a couple of things I forgot to mention about stamina which I apologise for, these are :-

1) player commands affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
2) trademarks also affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
3) player actions affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
4) player age affects stamina bonuses.
5) TIREDNESS is only a factor beyond 60 minutes in League games.

for example ( not an exhaustive list )

1) at the end of a game players who had the command TRY or GOP or FFD get a -10 minute adjustment. ( this is why some players have gone from HIGH to GOOD this week ).
2) players with the DOG trademark only lose stamina when their side are in possession.
3) players with the stamina attribute get +15 extra minutes at the beginning of the season. ( the bit Tom remembered that I forgot about ).
4) players over29 do not get the 30 minute prematch bonus stamina.

Despite all the complexity the advice is still sound, if you notice a player dropping below GOOD then use the REST dealing on him then he wont train but he will recover to HIGH stamina ready for next week. If a player starts the week on GOOD or HIGH then he should be able to last at least 100 minutes before getting tired in his first game, then at least 60 minutes if you play him twice.

Tom was also correct in stating it's important to put the RE periods into your training schedule in the right place, I totally forgot I had done this. Rest periods are applied on the days you say, midweek games are played wednesday afternoon, league games saturday afternoon.

To help clarify the maths I've increased the effect of each rest period from 25 to 33 minutes which makes the maths a bit easier to understand. I've also increased the effect of the luxury coach and lear jet to 33 minutes each which simplifies the maths even further. 


I think that's just about enough on Stamina for the week, it is definitely working as intended.

Cheers Paul

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Lindelof started on high ( 90-99 ) league +30 -90 = ( 30-39 ) +25+25+25 = 99 high
Zouma started on good ( 70-89 ) league +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 ) still on good
James started on good ( 70-89 )  youth +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 )  still on good

if you need it to be more precise then I could add an option to replace the words with actual nu 

Quick question , i cannot seem to get Mason mounts QU skill to maximum , i stuck in 3 QU training slots but it has not helped, am i missing a specific coach or building that is affecting this?

Hi Paul

Could you quickly answer this one for me please also player on poor form what is best?

Paul Hemmings wrote:

I spent the evening going through the system to refresh my mind on how stamina is handled and there are a couple of things I forgot to mention about stamina which I apologise for, these are :-

1) player commands affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
2) trademarks also affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
3) player actions affect the rate stamina is reduced during a game.
4) player age affects stamina bonuses.
5) TIREDNESS is only a factor beyond 60 minutes in League games.

for example ( not an exhaustive list )

1) at the end of a game players who had the command TRY or GOP or FFD get a -10 minute adjustment. ( this is why some players have gone from HIGH to GOOD this week ).
2) players with the DOG trademark only lose stamina when their side are in possession.
3) players with the stamina attribute get +15 extra minutes at the beginning of the season. ( the bit Tom remembered that I forgot about ).
4) players over29 do not get the 30 minute prematch bonus stamina.

Despite all the complexity the advice is still sound, if you notice a player dropping below GOOD then use the REST dealing on him then he wont train but he will recover to HIGH stamina ready for next week. If a player starts the week on GOOD or HIGH then he should be able to last at least 100 minutes before getting tired in his first game, then at least 60 minutes if you play him twice.

Tom was also correct in stating it's important to put the RE periods into your training schedule in the right place, I totally forgot I had done this. Rest periods are applied on the days you say, midweek games are played wednesday afternoon, league games saturday afternoon.

To help clarify the maths I've increased the effect of each rest period from 25 to 33 minutes which makes the maths a bit easier to understand. I've also increased the effect of the luxury coach and lear jet to 33 minutes each which simplifies the maths even further. 


I think that's just about enough on Stamina for the week, it is definitely working as intended.

Thanks for doing this.

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Andy@Schalke wrote:

Do we not get an International Fixture List, or have we already had it? Can't find it...

We dont have an int fixture list cos the draw is always the same, from memory it goes:-

group stages
team 1 vs team 2 and team 3 vs team 4
team 4 vs team 1 and team 2 vs team 3
team 1 vs team 3 and team 2 vs team 4
semi-finals
winners of each group
final
winners of each semi-final

    WOC DIV 1      PL W- D- L  F-A  DIFF PTS CR-STYLE
 1 BRA BRAZIL      0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-253-SAM
 2 FRA FRANCE      0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-442-WHV
 3 POL POLAND      0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-442-SLO
 4 RUS RUSSIA      0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-FAS

    WOC DIV 2      PL W- D- L  F-A  DIFF PTS CR-STYLE
 1 ARG ARGENTINA   0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-FAD
 2 BEL BELGIUM     0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-442-WHV
 3 GER GERMANY     0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-ISF
 4 USA USA         0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-424-FLY

    WOC DIV 3      PL W- D- L  F-A  DIFF PTS CR-STYLE
 1 CRO CROATIA     0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-FAS
 2 HOL HOLLAND     0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-442-CAT
 3 ITA ITALY       0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-ISF
 4 SPA SPAIN       0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-451-SLO

    WOC DIV 4      PL W- D- L  F-A  DIFF PTS CR-STYLE
 1 ENG ENGLAND     0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-442-CAT
 2 NI  NIRELAND    0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-442-WHV
 3 POR PORTUGAL    0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-FAS
 4 URU URUGUAY     0  0- 0- 0  0-0    0   0  99-433-FAS

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

PAUL:

I have noted one thing with the REST dealing - I RESTED quite a few players but none of them have come back with increased stamina. I did play them too (know you can now) but thought REST meant they don't train (with training happening at the end of the week) so go back to high stamina at the end of the week?

Sorry if got this wrong - bit confused with this though...

checking...

Thanks Paul - I may have misread the rules but sure it says they always come back high after a REST but no training done...

I've checked all the affected players and corrected them, they have now been properly rested, thanks for the feedback.

Sorry, I've just noticed I had the same issue with players A629 and 7178.

Hopefully you can sort these out?

Thanks

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

PAUL:

I have noted one thing with the REST dealing - I RESTED quite a few players but none of them have come back with increased stamina. I did play them too (know you can now) but thought REST meant they don't train (with training happening at the end of the week) so go back to high stamina at the end of the week?

Sorry if got this wrong - bit confused with this though...

checking...

Thanks Paul - I may have misread the rules but sure it says they always come back high after a REST but no training done...

I've checked all the affected players and corrected them, they have now been properly rested, thanks for the feedback.

Sorry, I've just noticed I had the same issue with players A629 and 7178.

Hopefully you can sort these out?

Thanks

done.

gary@chelsea wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Lindelof started on high ( 90-99 ) league +30 -90 = ( 30-39 ) +25+25+25 = 99 high
Zouma started on good ( 70-89 ) league +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 ) still on good
James started on good ( 70-89 )  youth +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 )  still on good

if you need it to be more precise then I could add an option to replace the words with actual nu 

Quick question , i cannot seem to get Mason mounts QU skill to maximum , i stuck in 3 QU training slots but it has not helped, am i missing a specific coach or building that is affecting this?

Hi Paul

Could you quickly answer this one for me please also player on poor form what is best?

checking...checked

Mount is PT99CR97 and only able to acquire 172 total skills at CR97 which he already has so he cant improve any more until he gets to CR99. He's worth a CR99 so I did a quick review on his PTCR and you should be able to finish his training next week by selecting him for individual training.

gary@chelsea wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Lindelof started on high ( 90-99 ) league +30 -90 = ( 30-39 ) +25+25+25 = 99 high
Zouma started on good ( 70-89 ) league +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 ) still on good
James started on good ( 70-89 )  youth +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 )  still on good

if you need it to be more precise then I could add an option to replace the words with actual nu 

Quick question , i cannot seem to get Mason mounts QU skill to maximum , i stuck in 3 QU training slots but it has not helped, am i missing a specific coach or building that is affecting this?

Hi Paul

Could you quickly answer this one for me please also player on poor form what is best?

Gary, it could be that he's maxed out his basic skills? Although this only happens when CR is less than PT - not sure if Mount is 9999 or 9997? Happened to Havertz recently, leaving him on 0qu and 0ta, with no hope of increasing until he moved from 9997 to 9999.
Andy.

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Andy@Schalke wrote:

Do we not get an International Fixture List, or have we already had it? Can't find it...

We dont have an int fixture list cos the draw is always the same, from memory it goes:-

group stages
team 1 vs team 2 and team 3 vs team 4
team 4 vs team 1 and team 2 vs team 3
team 1 vs team 3 and team 2 vs team 4
semi-finals
winners of each group
final
winners of each semi-final

thanks P.

Poor form is best addressed by playing friendlies against smaller clubs and hopefully the player concerned will get high enough ratings in the friendlies and accumulate form from those performances.

A performance rated good, superb or sublime should get him a boost in form, the lower his form the bigger the boost, but as his form increases the chances of a boost reduce, so once it reaches good then only a superb or sublime perforamnce will improve it further, and when it reaches superb only a sublime performance will increase it further.

Form does not reduce due to friendlies, you only get sugar from friendlies.

Paul Hemmings wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Lindelof started on high ( 90-99 ) league +30 -90 = ( 30-39 ) +25+25+25 = 99 high
Zouma started on good ( 70-89 ) league +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 ) still on good
James started on good ( 70-89 )  youth +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 )  still on good

if you need it to be more precise then I could add an option to replace the words with actual nu 

Quick question , i cannot seem to get Mason mounts QU skill to maximum , i stuck in 3 QU training slots but it has not helped, am i missing a specific coach or building that is affecting this?

Hi Paul

Could you quickly answer this one for me please also player on poor form what is best?

checking...checked

Mount is PT99CR97 and only able to acquire 172 total skills at CR97 which he already has so he cant improve any more until he gets to CR99. He's worth a CR99 so I did a quick review on his PTCR and you should be able to finish his training next week by selecting him for individual training.

Thank you , I thought it might be the reason but wanted to check. this would also explain Tomori's KN skill which is a shame because he would start otherwise.


So if I play my POOR form player in friendlies he should hopefully go up before the league games kick off? or will it take effect next turn

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Just trying to work this out again as a real life example:

I had Auba start on good so 70 mins
By the end of the cup game he has -20
He starts the league game with +10 given the 30 mins bonus
I had 4 RE periods and a luxury coach so 125mins (25 x 4 + 25) + 30 mins = 155 mins
He played the whole league games so 155-90 = 65 mins 
So he is now poor.

Next week he will be:

65mins + 30 mins = 95mins so he can play the league game but will then be awful.

The 4 rest periods and a luxury coach would then give him 155 mins for the week after. He couldn't play both the cup game and league games for the whole time.

Essentially need to rest him this week so he gets back to superb.

The only bit I can't work out is why he got tired late on in the league game... He should have had 65 mins left, unless I haven't got this correct here?

Auba starts on GOOD so 70-90=-20 minutes +100rest=80 ( no bonus as over29 ) for the league game=-10+25sun+25sun+25lux for nextweek=65 POOR he is actually on 59 at the moment so must have had an extra 6 minutes of stamina drain during the 2 matches.

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Lindelof started on high ( 90-99 ) league +30 -90 = ( 30-39 ) +25+25+25 = 99 high
Zouma started on good ( 70-89 ) league +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 ) still on good
James started on good ( 70-89 )  youth +30 -90 = ( 10-29 ) +75 = ( 85-99 )  still on good

if you need it to be more precise then I could add an option to replace the words with actual nu 

Quick question , i cannot seem to get Mason mounts QU skill to maximum , i stuck in 3 QU training slots but it has not helped, am i missing a specific coach or building that is affecting this?

Hi Paul

Could you quickly answer this one for me please also player on poor form what is best?

checking...checked

Mount is PT99CR97 and only able to acquire 172 total skills at CR97 which he already has so he cant improve any more until he gets to CR99. He's worth a CR99 so I did a quick review on his PTCR and you should be able to finish his training next week by selecting him for individual training.

Thank you , I thought it might be the reason but wanted to check. this would also explain Tomori's KN skill which is a shame because he would start otherwise.


So if I play my POOR form player in friendlies he should hopefully go up before the league games kick off? or will it take effect next turn

Form is adjusted after each game.

Paul Hemmings wrote:

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Just trying to work this out again as a real life example:

I had Auba start on good so 70 mins
By the end of the cup game he has -20
He starts the league game with +10 given the 30 mins bonus
I had 4 RE periods and a luxury coach so 125mins (25 x 4 + 25) + 30 mins = 155 mins
He played the whole league games so 155-90 = 65 mins 
So he is now poor.

Next week he will be:

65mins + 30 mins = 95mins so he can play the league game but will then be awful.

The 4 rest periods and a luxury coach would then give him 155 mins for the week after. He couldn't play both the cup game and league games for the whole time.

Essentially need to rest him this week so he gets back to superb.

The only bit I can't work out is why he got tired late on in the league game... He should have had 65 mins left, unless I haven't got this correct here?

Auba starts on GOOD so 70-90=-20 minutes +100rest=80 ( no bonus as over29 ) for the league game=-10+25sun+25sun+25lux for nextweek=65 POOR he is actually on 59 at the moment so must have had an extra 6 minutes of stamina drain during the 2 matches.

Thanks Paul. 

Given the training essentially happens after the game my understanding then is even if I REST him he won't last the full 90 in the league game or does the REST mean he will have full stamina for this game?

Thanks

Ben